https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/joyce-goldstein/id1460715673?i=1000436179278

Mat Schuster joins Joyce Goldstein, chef, restauranteur and
author/journalist to talk about male vs. female run kitchens, California
cuisine, living in Italy, ingredient origins, overly confessional food
writing, preserving and more! Check us out socially @culinarymindcast or
www.canelasf.com/podcast for more info.